(04-19-2024 09:19 AM)TribeinVB Wrote:  

(04-19-2024 08:03 AM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 09:01 PM)billymac Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:25 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:22 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  Based on recent court decisions I think they're considered employees, which would imply that they are not amateurs.

Since NIL is not paid by the schools, this would not make them EE’s for athletics and therefore have no impact on being an “amateur “.

After July 1, they will be in Virginia.


Gov. Youngkin signed into law a bill that grants Virginia colleges unprecedented freedom to administer name, image and likeness benefits to athletes.

House Bill 1505, boasting wide-ranging support from administrators, permits state colleges and universities to create and negotiate NIL deals — and pay athletes — without NCAA restrictions. The measure is believed to be the first of its kind.

https://x.com/jacquiefran_/status/178098...mavWoeBzjQ


UVA & VT took the lead but we squeezed in a Tribe helmet


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Given our helmet in the picture, I take it W&M was in favor of this bill? Why would we be? Despite bill saying something about athletes not being considered employees (I would think DOL would have something about that), the bill seems to be the next step toward the inevitable of athletes being employees of the university which has been predicted to be the end of sports at schools like W&M. Just curious why W&M would be in favor of this and whether all the D1 schools in VA not named UVA and VT were as well. I also have a problem with schools who voluntarily join an organization (the NCAA), pushing for and embracing a bill that says they don't have to follow that organization's rules. What's next, a bill that says UVA and VT's touchdowns are worth 7 pts instead of 6 for games played in Va?

The helmet looks signed (as does the JMU? helmet beside it) and was possibly presented to the Governor (or the office) as a gift in the past, unrelated to the NIL signing. It may have nothing to do with whether W&M is in favor (or not in favor) and may have simply been used for a photo op since we are a state school.

There was an interesting op-ed by Dartmouth's President in the WSJ a couple of weeks ago. He was surprisingly (to me) determined to hew to the position that Dartmouth athletes are NOT employees and therefore Dartmouth will strongly resist the unionization effort.

NIL makes sense for the Power 5 guys. I'm not sure how robust NIL will be with the next tier of schools. I believe the next tier of schools will basically be offering scholarships to student-athletes. That seems to be the right fit for us.

I guess you could accuse me of proposing a Division III approach. I just don't think we are going to win bidding wars nor do I think we want to support semi-pro sports.

I think there is a lot more money in our alumni network and local fan base than people think.

I think that the NCAA should put guard rails around NIL in the form of types and amounts of compensation that are allowed.

Unregulated NIL money run amok can bring down the system. I don’t think it would ever happen, but relatively modest upper direct cash payments limits and ROTH type contributions make some sense to me.

I’m not so unaware enough to think that this would ever happen, but something like a $30,000/annual upper payment limit and a like annual limit on an account that can’t be accessed for 5 years or until the player graduates and gives up eligibility would be my paltry suggestion.


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The problem I see is that the genie is out of the bottle. Coming up with novel ways to rein it back in sound reasonable, but not realistic. The NCAA has tried multiple times to try and limit and each time gets struck down in court. It is close to complete free agency right now and the NCAA has no say or control of it. I don't see it changing. It is a school by school decision by boosters and supporters. You decide to pay and compete or you do not.

I agree that the obscene amounts of money that P5s pay is something we cannot compete with, nor should we try. I can't speak for d1 football programs, but I do know that the majority of successful D1 basketball programs, mid major included, invest in NIL. The key for us is scaling our NIL to what we can afford and in line with the peers we hope to keep. Many of you would be surprised by what some mid majors already payout in NIL to MBB players.

I feel like our sweet spot is to pay enough that retains guys that want to be here. Keeps them content enough to not go looking. The sad reality is that probably won't be enough to keep our guys that are on an all conference level. They will be able to get far more than we can give on the open market. Paying a solid nil at our scale also makes us an attractive destination for sought after low major and D2 kids. Once the money is settled, the decision comes down to degree and school. I think we win most of those battles. As mid majors, where we can excel is recruiting well out of HS and identifying overlooked transfers that fit what we do. Their will be yearly turnover and the good programs will be good at restocking. The beauty of a Princeton type system is that guys that can excel in that system could go overlooked by rivals in the recruiting process. Specialized players that do exactly what we need well may not work out as well on a modern iso offense.

I wonder how the WNBA i able to administer their salary limits...

(04-19-2024 11:59 AM)LeadBolt Wrote:  I wonder how the WNBA i able to administer their salary limits...

I am not a lawyer, but I think through collective bargaining between the league and the players union.

According to Mit Winter, one of the biggest hurdles for the NCAA to overcome when they try to enforce their rules and regulations is that there is no players union. If there were, and the rules of 10 years ago were collectively bargained, we'd still have players sitting out a year to transfer. I may be misremembering, but I think that his position is that creating a student-athlete union would be greatly beneficial to the NCAA.