Probably worth reposting the football player-run NIL that I referenced above.

https://nilclub.com/william--mary/football

(02-14-2024 12:29 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 05:22 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I'm sure Mann and staff might welcome an NIL collective because it has the potential to lift the programs he's in charge of. But I can also see Mann butting heads. He is focused on fundraising through "One Tribe One Day" and the "All In" campaigns. He might see $ going to NIL as direct competition if his goals are falling short.

I can't say for sure, but I would guess that this was part of what happened to the FBC, although potentially with Turner rather than Mann. It's extremely short-sighted IMO, because an NCAA run for MBB (maybe WBB also?) would be the biggest fundraising opportunity the school has ever had.

Not at all. The money that was raised went directly to the MBB account. It was part of, not separate from, fundraising for the Athletic Foundation. So, that wasn't the reason...

From what little I saw, there seemed to be a philosophical difference between those who wanted to upgrade the fan experience which in turn should lead to more donations and engagement and those who wanted to spur donations first and limit participation to those who donated generously.


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(02-15-2024 04:02 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  From what little I saw, there seemed to be a philosophical difference between those who wanted to upgrade the fan experience which in turn should lead to more donations and engagement and those who wanted to spur donations first and limit participation to those who donated generously.


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(02-15-2024 11:53 AM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 12:29 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(02-14-2024 05:22 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I'm sure Mann and staff might welcome an NIL collective because it has the potential to lift the programs he's in charge of. But I can also see Mann butting heads. He is focused on fundraising through "One Tribe One Day" and the "All In" campaigns. He might see $ going to NIL as direct competition if his goals are falling short.

I can't say for sure, but I would guess that this was part of what happened to the FBC, although potentially with Turner rather than Mann. It's extremely short-sighted IMO, because an NCAA run for MBB (maybe WBB also?) would be the biggest fundraising opportunity the school has ever had.

Not at all. The money that was raised went directly to the MBB account. It was part of, not separate from, fundraising for the Athletic Foundation. So, that wasn't the reason...

I meant more that the direct competition was that FBC fundraising didn't show up as raised by Turner.

This is an interesting article about how NIL may have broken up the monopoly Nike and Adidas had on college basketball.
https://sports.yahoo.com/march-madness-h...35135.html

Opening lines:
"For about 40 years Nike and Adidas ran college basketball. They sponsored the teams. They paid the coaches. They stocked the rosters … via everything from running vast grassroots systems in order to identify and control recruits to flat out paying players to sign with their preferred “blue blood” programs.
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A year after a Final Four with three first-time participants (Florida Atlantic, Miami, San Diego State), here comes three more who either have never been (Alabama), or are ending lengthy droughts that date to 1983 (North Carolina State) and 1980 (Purdue). Each of them were constructed in ways that wouldn’t have made sense even five years ago."

Interesting to see how this effects NIL efforts
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/stor...hletes-nil

Add in the legislation for the no restrictions on transfers....

The death of college athletics is accelerating, if not already here. RIP mid majors, regional rivalries, all the stuff that made it fun.

(04-18-2024 11:35 AM)W+M4TW Wrote:  Add in the legislation for the no restrictions on transfers....

The death of college athletics is accelerating, if not already here. RIP mid majors, regional rivalries, all the stuff that made it fun.

I think you'll be surprised at how healthy college athletics will become. The fact that the only people who never shared in the massive earnings of college athletics are finally doing so should be celebrated.

(04-18-2024 03:35 PM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 11:35 AM)W+M4TW Wrote:  Add in the legislation for the no restrictions on transfers....

The death of college athletics is accelerating, if not already here. RIP mid majors, regional rivalries, all the stuff that made it fun.

I think you'll be surprised at how healthy college athletics will become. The fact that the only people who never shared in the massive earnings of college athletics are finally doing so should be celebrated.

It may be healthy (financially, at least) but it will be interesting to see the extent to which it will still be college athletics.

Do athletes get 1099’s for NIL proceeds? If so, are they still considered amateurs? Does it matter? Inquiring minds...


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(04-18-2024 05:43 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Do athletes get 1099’s for NIL proceeds? If so, are they still considered amateurs? Does it matter? Inquiring minds...


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Based on recent court decisions I think they're considered employees, which would imply that they are not amateurs.

(04-18-2024 07:22 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 05:43 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Do athletes get 1099’s for NIL proceeds? If so, are they still considered amateurs? Does it matter? Inquiring minds...


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Based on recent court decisions I think they're considered employees, which would imply that they are not amateurs.

Since NIL is not paid by the schools, this would not make them EE’s for athletics and therefore have no impact on being an “amateur “.


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(04-18-2024 07:25 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:22 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 05:43 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Do athletes get 1099’s for NIL proceeds? If so, are they still considered amateurs? Does it matter? Inquiring minds...

Based on recent court decisions I think they're considered employees, which would imply that they are not amateurs.

Since NIL is not paid by the schools, this would not make them EE’s for athletics and therefore have no impact on being an “amateur “.

After July 1, they will be in Virginia.


Gov. Youngkin signed into law a bill that grants Virginia colleges unprecedented freedom to administer name, image and likeness benefits to athletes.

House Bill 1505, boasting wide-ranging support from administrators, permits state colleges and universities to create and negotiate NIL deals — and pay athletes — without NCAA restrictions. The measure is believed to be the first of its kind.

As we all know, while Virginia is the first state to allow this activity, states with P5 powerhouse colleges (Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.) will never allow Virginia schools, like UVA and Tech, to get an advantage so, soon enough, this type law will become the rule, across the country, not the exception.

Athletes do get 1099s for NIL payments.

(04-18-2024 09:01 PM)billymac Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:25 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:22 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 05:43 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Do athletes get 1099’s for NIL proceeds? If so, are they still considered amateurs? Does it matter? Inquiring minds...

Based on recent court decisions I think they're considered employees, which would imply that they are not amateurs.

Since NIL is not paid by the schools, this would not make them EE’s for athletics and therefore have no impact on being an “amateur “.

After July 1, they will be in Virginia.


Gov. Youngkin signed into law a bill that grants Virginia colleges unprecedented freedom to administer name, image and likeness benefits to athletes.

House Bill 1505, boasting wide-ranging support from administrators, permits state colleges and universities to create and negotiate NIL deals — and pay athletes — without NCAA restrictions. The measure is believed to be the first of its kind.

https://x.com/jacquiefran_/status/178098...mavWoeBzjQ


UVA & VT took the lead but we squeezed in a Tribe helmet


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Those of you doing the lords work with the 1693 Collective, how will the ruling affect those efforts? Do they get brought "in house" now?

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(04-19-2024 08:17 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  Those of you doing the lords work with the 1693 Collective, how will the ruling affect those efforts? Do they get brought "in house" now?

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Remains to be seen, but we are not positioned to move in house quicky like VT and UVA. Whatever path looks most efficient and optimizes our resources will be best. The 1693 Alliance has no employees and plans to operate on less than 5% overhead. We will be ready to work with the Athletic Department to find the best way forward.

(04-19-2024 08:03 AM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 09:01 PM)billymac Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:25 PM)wmmii Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:22 PM)WMInTheBurg Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 05:43 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  Do athletes get 1099’s for NIL proceeds? If so, are they still considered amateurs? Does it matter? Inquiring minds...

Based on recent court decisions I think they're considered employees, which would imply that they are not amateurs.

Since NIL is not paid by the schools, this would not make them EE’s for athletics and therefore have no impact on being an “amateur “.

After July 1, they will be in Virginia.


Gov. Youngkin signed into law a bill that grants Virginia colleges unprecedented freedom to administer name, image and likeness benefits to athletes.

House Bill 1505, boasting wide-ranging support from administrators, permits state colleges and universities to create and negotiate NIL deals — and pay athletes — without NCAA restrictions. The measure is believed to be the first of its kind.

https://x.com/jacquiefran_/status/178098...mavWoeBzjQ


UVA & VT took the lead but we squeezed in a Tribe helmet


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Given our helmet in the picture, I take it W&M was in favor of this bill? Why would we be? Despite bill saying something about athletes not being considered employees (I would think DOL would have something about that), the bill seems to be the next step toward the inevitable of athletes being employees of the university which has been predicted to be the end of sports at schools like W&M. Just curious why W&M would be in favor of this and whether all the D1 schools in VA not named UVA and VT were as well. I also have a problem with schools who voluntarily join an organization (the NCAA), pushing for and embracing a bill that says they don't have to follow that organization's rules. What's next, a bill that says UVA and VT's touchdowns are worth 7 pts instead of 6 for games played in Va?