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(02-20-2024 02:39 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Why are Collier, Milkereit, and Karasinski sitting out with medical redshirts. Either Dane told them that he's leaving (getting fired) and is being a nice guy or they are waiting to see if he's fired and then have an option to stay or leave.

I hope it is D, E, or F, but I'm going with H.

If it is H, next year will be mostly new players and will be dismal.

Jake had surgery at the beginning of the season so he is out for the year. I have no clue about why the other two aren't playing.
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(02-21-2024 10:38 AM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  
(02-20-2024 02:39 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Why are Collier, Milkereit, and Karasinski sitting out with medical redshirts. Either Dane told them that he's leaving (getting fired) and is being a nice guy or they are waiting to see if he's fired and then have an option to stay or leave.

I hope it is D, E, or F, but I'm going with H.

If it is H, next year will be mostly new players and will be dismal.

Jake had surgery at the beginning of the season so he is out for the year. I have no clue about why the other two aren't playing.

Noel had more surgery on his knee and Jack has not responded satisfactorily to concussion protocol!!
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(02-21-2024 10:38 AM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  
(02-20-2024 02:39 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Why are Collier, Milkereit, and Karasinski sitting out with medical redshirts. Either Dane told them that he's leaving (getting fired) and is being a nice guy or they are waiting to see if he's fired and then have an option to stay or leave.

I hope it is D, E, or F, but I'm going with H.

If it is H, next year will be mostly new players and will be dismal.

Jake had surgery at the beginning of the season so he is out for the year. I have no clue about why the other two aren't playing.

I know that HIPPA plays a role to some extent in providing we die hard fans some injury updates, but the TOTAL lack of transparency when it comes to ANY updates whatsoever is maddening to me.

I knew that Jake had knee issues prior to the season starting because he told me himself that he had "bad wheels" when I talked to him during the season ticket holder event before the season started. I did not post it here at the time because I know how sensitive we are here on the boards about discussing injuries. The only reason that we knew that he had the surgery and was sitting out the year was because Big John was nice enough to share it with us. How hard would it have been for Dane to put out a release stating that Jake had been granted a medical redshirt this year and would have two additional years of eligibility.

One other tidbit about Jake's status. I was at Kaplan the night of our nationally televised debacle against Delaware. Sometime during the first half, they were showing on our new scoreboard a part of the CBS broadcast where they were apparently discussing our list of players that were injured and therefore not playing in the Delaware game. They showed the list on TV, and the only player on the list that they showed as "Out for Season" was Jake. Why do they tell CBS and not tell us?

It turns out that the CBS Sports Network is the place to go for updates on our injuries. During Monday night's broadcast, they offered up that Noah was suffering from a "lower leg issue", had played only one game this season (it's really 3 games at the Air Force tourney), was taking a medical redshirt, and would have two years of eligibility remaining. Then they mentioned that Charlie was out because of a concussion, and that we hoped to have him back on Thursday night. I guess that HIPPA does not seem to be a concern when our coaches talk to the CBS announcers, but the heck with us diehard fans.

Finally, let's turn to the Jack situation. About three weeks ago, during the pregame show before one of our road games. Jay asked Dane for an update on our injury situation. This was the night that Jayden Lemond returned from his unspecified absence from the team. Dane's comment to Jay was that we were getting better but that we still had a little bit more to go. On that night we had 3 scholarship players in street clothes; Jake, Noah, and Jack. We now know that both Jake and Noah were out for the season, so the "little bit" had to be referring to Jack. Yet Jack still sits in street clothes. We all think that we know why, and that he is taking a medical redshirt also, but it is crickets from the sports information department. And if his injury is indeed what has been speculated here, I am surprised that he made the road trip to New Jersey and Boston where airfare was involved. If he is indeed out for the year, just confirm what we have already concluded.

Sorry for the rant. Hopefully I did not break any rules.
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If Dane is retained for another year, I would say that is AD malfeasance. If Mann doesn't take the obvious action in the coming weeks, we should be demanding his removal as well.

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As of now, 15 responses spread between 5 guesses. Keep them coming. The running totals are...

A-
B - TDenverfan, Tribepride91,
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D - bigjohn, TDG&G, BGR,
E - mrjoolius, LeadBolt,
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G - WMTribe75,
H - zablenoise, billymac, WMintheburg, ScottyB, Zorch, Tribe32,
I - Tribal (There's always one guy, smh)
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I’ll pick the one without any votes yet, and say F, the Friday after the tournament. With the hope that the decision has been made already but Mann needs a few extra days post-tournament to finalize contract with his top choice - who is a head coach at some other school that just exited their own conference tournament (whatever conference that might be) and needs a few days to unwind from that.

In reality, I think if it happens that week of/after the tournament, there will NOT be a new head coach already determined. Which would be unfortunate, but most likely outcome.


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If Mann does release Dane, it would be wise IMO to wait and see what head coaches get canned also and go after some younger, up and coming assistants who are left without a job. Of course he could go the route that Huge intended and go after a bigger name who has been on the bench for a while. Not sure who that is, but its a thought.
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Heart wants D, Head says it'll be H ... so I'll say H and truly hope I'm wrong.
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(02-21-2024 11:14 AM)Biggjohn43 Wrote:  
(02-21-2024 10:38 AM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  
(02-20-2024 02:39 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Why are Collier, Milkereit, and Karasinski sitting out with medical redshirts. Either Dane told them that he's leaving (getting fired) and is being a nice guy or they are waiting to see if he's fired and then have an option to stay or leave.

I hope it is D, E, or F, but I'm going with H.

If it is H, next year will be mostly new players and will be dismal.

Jake had surgery at the beginning of the season so he is out for the year. I have no clue about why the other two aren't playing.

Noel had more surgery on his knee and Jack has not responded satisfactorily to concussion protocol!!

Do you know if Jack is taking a medical redshirt also?
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I’ll go with E, but wouldn’t be surprised in the least if it’s H


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(02-22-2024 01:59 PM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  
(02-21-2024 11:14 AM)Biggjohn43 Wrote:  
(02-21-2024 10:38 AM)Mrs. Got Ribe Wrote:  
(02-20-2024 02:39 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Why are Collier, Milkereit, and Karasinski sitting out with medical redshirts. Either Dane told them that he's leaving (getting fired) and is being a nice guy or they are waiting to see if he's fired and then have an option to stay or leave.

I hope it is D, E, or F, but I'm going with H.

If it is H, next year will be mostly new players and will be dismal.

Jake had surgery at the beginning of the season so he is out for the year. I have no clue about why the other two aren't playing.

Noel had more surgery on his knee and Jack has not responded satisfactorily to concussion protocol!!

Do you know if Jack is taking a medical redshirt also?


From what I've been told, YES !!!
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(02-22-2024 12:13 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  I’ll pick the one without any votes yet, and say F, the Friday after the tournament. With the hope that the decision has been made already but Mann needs a few extra days post-tournament to finalize contract with his top choice - who is a head coach at some other school that just exited their own conference tournament (whatever conference that might be) and needs a few days to unwind from that.

In reality, I think if it happens that week of/after the tournament, there will NOT be a new head coach already determined. Which would be unfortunate, but most likely outcome.


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I actually like this pick and will co-sign your F vote. Bad news is often delivered on Friday and this’ll give Mann a few days to appear as if he deliberated and didn’t pull a shotgun Huge.

I don’t think Mann will hire a new coach until late April-early May.


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(02-22-2024 04:05 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(02-22-2024 12:13 PM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  I’ll pick the one without any votes yet, and say F, the Friday after the tournament. With the hope that the decision has been made already but Mann needs a few extra days post-tournament to finalize contract with his top choice - who is a head coach at some other school that just exited their own conference tournament (whatever conference that might be) and needs a few days to unwind from that.

In reality, I think if it happens that week of/after the tournament, there will NOT be a new head coach already determined. Which would be unfortunate, but most likely outcome.


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I actually like this pick and will co-sign your F vote. Bad news is often delivered on Friday and this’ll give Mann a few days to appear as if he deliberated and didn’t pull a shotgun Huge.

I don’t think Mann will hire a new coach until late April-early May.


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Umm, you can't vote twice Tribal. I have you down already as predicting Dane is "coach for life"
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Hampton wins. Tribe loses. Very real probability that we will be on a 10 game losing streak and own the cellar going into the Tourney. I choose let go at regular season's end before the Tourney. Mr. J, you needed another letter between A and B. If it's not B+, then this is on Rowe and the Board for not enabling Mann to do his job.

You don't allow a Tourney run to muddy the decision, and need to send the message to any prospective coach that W&M will support Men's Basketball. Have our new coach announced by the Final Four.

I may have a change of heart and go to DC to support the players, if B+ occurs.
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F for FAILURE
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(02-22-2024 09:08 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  You don't allow a Tourney run to muddy the decision….

Really don’t think we need to worry about that!!
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Here’s how I view the potential argument that the team was so injured this year that it’s not fair to judge Dane’s performance solely based on record / performance since he never had anywhere close to a full squad. Because that is true. We’ve been playing with a very incomplete deck of cards all year.

1) Look at past performance. If Phil Jackson’s Bulls missed the playoffs one year that both MJ and Pippen were out bc of injuries, then okay - you excuse that year. But in our case, nothing about past performance (since Nate) suggests Dane should get another chance. There’s been an excuse every single year.

2) Look at improvement. No matter what hand you’ve been dealt, do the players on the court show improvement game over game, week over week? Unfortunately on this one, I think the answer is no.

3) Look at qualitative items like team culture and leadership. I have no inside knowledge so can’t comment. Guys do seem to like each other. I’m sure they believe Dane is a nice guy (like we all do) but high level athletes respect coaches who make them better and lead their teams to victory. So even on this dimension, it’s probably a no.


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(02-23-2024 07:50 AM)ColonelEbirt Wrote:  Here’s how I view the potential argument that the team was so injured this year that it’s not fair to judge Dane’s performance solely based on record / performance since he never had anywhere close to a full squad. Because that is true. We’ve been playing with a very incomplete deck of cards all year.

1) Look at past performance. If Phil Jackson’s Bulls missed the playoffs one year that both MJ and Pippen were out bc of injuries, then okay - you excuse that year. But in our case, nothing about past performance (since Nate) suggests Dane should get another chance. There’s been an excuse every single year.

2) Look at improvement. No matter what hand you’ve been dealt, do the players on the court show improvement game over game, week over week? Unfortunately on this one, I think the answer is no.

3) Look at qualitative items like team culture and leadership. I have no inside knowledge so can’t comment. Guys do seem to like each other. I’m sure they believe Dane is a nice guy (like we all do) but high level athletes respect coaches who make them better and lead their teams to victory. So even on this dimension, it’s probably a no.


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The one that really resonates with me is the huge number of his recruits that show up and leave. That's not good no matter how people want to explain it away. For reasons that you state and mine there has been zero stability.
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Just for grins, I went back to see how the two non-D3 teams that we played at the beginning of the season were doing. The have a total of 2 wins combined. VUL is 0-25
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I would bet on H. I want a letter before G, but I am sure this season will be spun as "progress" somehow and they bring Dane back.
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